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Post by Xeev_Nxawg on October 9th 2008, 11:23 am

We all know that "Ntawv Hmoob Thoob Teb" or "Ntawv Hmoob Latin" needs to be revised because of the following reasons:.

1. Ntawv Hmoob Thoob Teb tsim nyog yuav tsum kho vim nws tsis tau zoo txaus thiab yeej kho tau.
2. Yog kho lawm ces kho kom muaj standard for both White and Blue Mong thiaj muaj reason txaus kho thiab.
3. Nws yuav benefit rau yav pemsuab heev vim peb yuav siv tau Meskas cov vocabulary los ntxiv rau faim medical, science & technology.
4. Vim pauv meme xwb thiab yoojyim tshaj lwm txoj hauv kev. Yog thaum xyaum apply lub concept tau lawm ces nws yuav tsis nyuaj lawm.
5. Ua rau ob hom Hmoob feel equally important.
6. Nws siv English characters and English is the universal language.
7. Tsis tau do a translation hauv hlwb thaum twm, ruas twm li yus hom suab ntawv xwb.

I will write in English since it's a universal language so it's easier for everyone to understand. We should think beyond the scope of our current existing written languages starting by asking yourself, how do we send a message so that both the blind (White Mong ) and the deaf (Blue Mong ) without any translation. The revision language is going to be called, "H'monglish or H'moobglish". The reason I come up with H’monglish or H'moobglish is because the title pretty much defines itself. It defines the origin of where the language is revised and reconstructed along with the influence of H’mong American as well as the power and legacy of the English language.

Let's use the abbreviation NH for "Ntawv Hmoob" and the two groups of people are White and Blue Mong . The goal is to come up with some sort of rules and principles using the existing “Ntawv Hmoob Thoob Teb - Latin” as the basic language to restructuring it as the middle language with the help of English words & sounds. Yes, we have no other choices but using these vowel such as ae ao ay ea ei eu ie io iu oa oe oi ou ow ue ui uo uy y ye and Cim c, f, h, k, l, n, p, q, r, t, x, z to manipulate, combine and simplify to make the written language transitional. Yet, my ultimate approach is to develop some sort of conversion process from regular --> simplify --> standard by finding rules and principles to support it. This is the same model and approach on a different view: NH_Dawb --> NH_Dawb_Simplify --> NH_Simplify --> H’moobglish <-- NH_Simplify <-- NH_Juab_Simplify <-- NH_Juab.

Here are the principles.

Principle 1:
NH_Dawb --> NH_Dawb_Simplify
NH_Juab --> NH_Juab_Simplify


Principle 2:
NH_Dawb + NH_Juab --> NH_Simplify
NH_Dawb + NH_Juab_Simplify --> NH_Simplify
NH_Dawb_Simplify + NH_Juab --> NH_Simplify
NH_Dawb_Simplify + NH_Juab_Simplify --> NH_Simplify


Principle 3:
NH_Simplify --> H'moobglish


Principle 4:
H'moobglish <-- New Word Dictionary
H'moobglish <-- New Vowel Rule

The following are examples on some of the rules:

Simplify Apostrophe Rule: An apostrophe is to substitute the "i" on "ia" therefore Blue Mong should disregard the apostrophe. For example ‘a=ia.

Simplify Dash Rule: Dash means a same character follows within a Simplify word applies to Blue Mong only therefore White Mong is to disregard it. For example: "da-g" is the same as Blue Mong word "dlaag".

I know this will be a total shock and sound crazy to some of you. But, your thoughts are always welcome but let's all have some respect and follow the Golden Rule, "Don't do unto other what you would not like done unto you". Thank you.


You guys have any questions, email me: jobless2k4@yahoo.com

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Re: H'monglish/H'moobglish

Post by TooKooL on December 15th 2008, 10:48 am

Yog hais lus Hmoob ces hais kiag tsi txhob txuam rau lub Mikas los yog lwm hais neeg lus.



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Re: H'monglish/H'moobglish

Post by Xeev_Nxawg on January 9th 2009, 1:12 pm

ua li las mas -> uac liec lama <- ua le las mas

mam sau li koj hais'os nawb -> ma_m sauc liec koj hay'os nawb <- maam sau le koj has'os nawb

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Re: H'monglish/H'moobglish

Post by Guest on January 9th 2009, 3:39 pm

Nyob Zoo Xeev ntxawg,

koj tham tau zoo kawg nkau tab si nws tsi yooj yim kiag. Yog koj hai rau tej Apostrophe. Qhov nov ma kuv xav zoo kawg nkau tiam sis cov ntawv no yog ntawv American xwb ces hai peb lus hmoob tsi meej thiab tsau tsi tau li.. Qhov zoo ma yog peb ntawv hmoob peb tus hmoob yog tus tsim kiag ma zoo duas. Ua koj tsaug os.

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Re: H'monglish/H'moobglish

Post by Guest on January 10th 2009, 3:35 pm

Sawv daws los peb saib cov Canlender no thiab os covphooj ywg?

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Re: H'monglish/H'moobglish

Post by KY on April 21st 2009, 9:56 am

Xeev_Nxawg wrote:We all know that "Ntawv Hmoob Thoob Teb" or "Ntawv Hmoob Latin" needs to be revised because of the following reasons:.

1. Ntawv Hmoob Thoob Teb tsim nyog yuav tsum kho vim nws tsis tau zoo txaus thiab yeej kho tau.
2. Yog kho lawm ces kho kom muaj standard for both White and Blue Mong thiaj muaj reason txaus kho thiab.
3. Nws yuav benefit rau yav pemsuab heev vim peb yuav siv tau Meskas cov vocabulary los ntxiv rau faim medical, science & technology.
4. Vim pauv meme xwb thiab yoojyim tshaj lwm txoj hauv kev. Yog thaum xyaum apply lub concept tau lawm ces nws yuav tsis nyuaj lawm.
5. Ua rau ob hom Hmoob feel equally important.
6. Nws siv English characters and English is the universal language.
7. Tsis tau do a translation hauv hlwb thaum twm, ruas twm li yus hom suab ntawv xwb.

I will write in English since it's a universal language so it's easier for everyone to understand. We should think beyond the scope of our current existing written languages starting by asking yourself, how do we send a message so that both the blind (White Mong ) and the deaf (Blue Mong ) without any translation. The revision language is going to be called, "H'monglish or H'moobglish". The reason I come up with H’monglish or H'moobglish is because the title pretty much defines itself. It defines the origin of where the language is revised and reconstructed along with the influence of H’mong American as well as the power and legacy of the English language.

Let's use the abbreviation NH for "Ntawv Hmoob" and the two groups of people are White and Blue Mong . The goal is to come up with some sort of rules and principles using the existing “Ntawv Hmoob Thoob Teb - Latin” as the basic language to restructuring it as the middle language with the help of English words & sounds. Yes, we have no other choices but using these vowel such as ae ao ay ea ei eu ie io iu oa oe oi ou ow ue ui uo uy y ye and Cim c, f, h, k, l, n, p, q, r, t, x, z to manipulate, combine and simplify to make the written language transitional. Yet, my ultimate approach is to develop some sort of conversion process from regular --> simplify --> standard by finding rules and principles to support it. This is the same model and approach on a different view: NH_Dawb --> NH_Dawb_Simplify --> NH_Simplify --> H’moobglish <-- NH_Simplify <-- NH_Juab_Simplify <-- NH_Juab.

Here are the principles.

Principle 1:
NH_Dawb --> NH_Dawb_Simplify
NH_Juab --> NH_Juab_Simplify


Principle 2:
NH_Dawb + NH_Juab --> NH_Simplify
NH_Dawb + NH_Juab_Simplify --> NH_Simplify
NH_Dawb_Simplify + NH_Juab --> NH_Simplify
NH_Dawb_Simplify + NH_Juab_Simplify --> NH_Simplify


Principle 3:
NH_Simplify --> H'moobglish


Principle 4:
H'moobglish <-- New Word Dictionary
H'moobglish <-- New Vowel Rule

The following are examples on some of the rules:

Simplify Apostrophe Rule: An apostrophe is to substitute the "i" on "ia" therefore Blue Mong should disregard the apostrophe. For example ‘a=ia.

Simplify Dash Rule: Dash means a same character follows within a Simplify word applies to Blue Mong only therefore White Mong is to disregard it. For example: "da-g" is the same as Blue Mong word "dlaag".

I know this will be a total shock and sound crazy to some of you. But, your thoughts are always welcome but let's all have some respect and follow the Golden Rule, "Don't do unto other what you would not like done unto you". Thank you.


You guys have any questions, email jobless2k4@yahoo.com
Yog muaj tus muaj tswv yim tsim muaj peev xwm kho tau los yeej zoo kawg. Tiam sis peb puas yuav siv dua sij hawm los mus kawm dua lawm? cov li peb niaj hnub siv niam no xwb, ib txhia twb tsis paub. Tsis tag li ntawv los nws kuj sau tau meej txaus lawm thiab. Cov niaj hnub no xwb, yuav siv mus rau feem twg fab twg los yeej siv tau, qhov tiag, peb paub lus hmoob tsis txhua tsis txaus xwb raws li kuv xav.

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Re: H'monglish/H'moobglish

Post by Guest on June 20th 2009, 8:14 pm

KY,

Nyob Zoo. Koj hai yog lawm, yog yuav muab cov lus no kho ntxiv ma yuav tsuam yog muaj school es ke kho ke kawm ma saws thiaj li yuav muaj qhov txawj thiab paub mus ntxiv. Yog yia tau nyia kho xwb ces nws tsua yog u xwb thiaj li paub. Ib yam li no,"Hmonglish" qhov no los yeej yuav yog cov hlua kawm tom school xwb thiaj li paub. Or hmoob aakiv. Kuv xav ma peb hmoob siv cov ntawv latin no ma muaj tsi txhij peb hmoob cov lus li ces peb kawg yeej yuav poob peb cov lus xwb.

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Re: H'monglish/H'moobglish

Post by Vajhuamsibluag on January 1st 2010, 12:52 pm



Grammar Hmoob



Verb = Lustxhab

Adverb = Lustxhim

Adjective = Luspleev

Preposition = Lustwg



Noun = Becuav

Pronoun = Betseeb



Lustab. Lustab yog ib lo lus hais uantej ib lub becuav. Pivxam: RAB riam, RAB yog lustab cuam (modified) riam.



Luspleev. Luspleev yog hais pleev lub Becuav lossis Betseeb. Pivxam: Rab riam JE. JE cuam (modifies) txog rab riam. Tus pas NTEV. NTEV cuam txog tus pas.



Lustxhim. Lustxhim (Lus Hmoob tsis muaj)



Lustxhab. Lustxhab yog los cuam txog (modifies) lub Becuav/Betseeb tias yog ua dabtsi. Pivxam: Koj MUS dabtsi? MUS yog lus Lustxhab cuam txog lo lustab KOJ.



Lustwg. Lustwg yog lo lus cuam txog qhovtwg. Pivxam: Rab pas nyob TIM QHOVROOJ.

TIM QHOVROOJ yog lustwg, cuam txog lo lustab NYOB.

Lustxhim. Lustxhim yog hais caum lo lustxhab. Pivxam: Kuv mus kev CEEVNROOJ. Ceevnrooj yog Lustxhim cuam txog lo lustab MUS KEV.




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Re: H'monglish/H'moobglish

Post by Vajhuamsibluag on January 1st 2010, 12:59 pm



Ntawm Hmoob



Yub sau ib tug (Single Vowels): A, E, I, O, U, W,

Yub sau ob tug (Double Vowels): AA, AI, AU, IA, UA, OO

Yub sau ob tug tshiab (New Double Vowels): AO, IU, UE

Yub saub 3 tug tshiab (New Triple Vowels): UAI



Cov las ntawv tsis hloov, tsis sau rau hauv no.



Tus ntawv qub Tus ntawv hloov tshiab



NP B

NTS J

NTX NX

NK G



Tus Ntawv Tshiab



NG



Cov las ntawv kuv suggest kom muaj



OH

PR

^ = represent the power of Xn N can be any number greater than zero.

(‘) (apostrophe)

(--) Double dash



Cov ntawv tshiab siv rau cov lus zoo li no:



NG tawm lub suab li lus Blog hais tus “nyuj.” Pivxam lus Hmoob hais tias, “Twm quaj ngijngaj”, “Dev sib tog ngigngaug.”



PR tawm lub suab li thaum Hmoob ua neeb nthe, “Prwv thaueb! Lossis Prwv thuaib!”



^ =Xn . N can be any number greater than zero. Siv ua tus cim hais ob los lus tabsis ib lub suab xwb. Pivxam: ntau ntau = ntau^ = ntau2 , coob coob=coob^ = coob2 etc. Note: Yog hais ib lo lus 2 zaug, kom siv tus ^. Yog hais ib lo lus tshaj 2 zaug, yuavtsum siv power Xn=>3.



Tus (‘) tawm lub suab lus tias, “Mus ho tuaj’ov”, lossis “Mus ho tuaj’os.”



Tus (‘) muab siv tau uantej yuav sau kab ntawv kom lo lus hais txhob tawm lub sub tus V. Xws li “’Uag, khiav’os lawv’e! Niag twm nrad tuaj caum peb lawm’os!” Vim tias los lus “’uag” thiab “vuag” tsis tawm ib lub suab.



Kos 2 kab (--) yog siv thaum hais lus chim siab lossis laug suab. Pivxam: “Kuv mus lawm puag - - tim roob lawm kuv mam rov los!” “Kuv yuav muab nws ntaus kom sab^-- xwb lau!”



Tus OH siv thaum hais lub suab neeg nhoos. Pivxam: Ohwj! (Tawm suab hauv qab thiab qhovjwg).



Cov lus hais 2 los lossis 3 los mam yog ib los:



Cov lus hais ob los uake mam yog ib los, yuav tau muab sau lo uake. Pivxam li KAB TSIB. Muab sau ua KABTSIB, TUBGEEG (TUB NKEEG).



Cov lus hais ob los uake, tabsis yog tus las ntawv tomqab thawj lo thiab thawj tus las ntawv lo lus tomqab tawm tau suab, yuav tau siv tus (-) los kem. Xwsli lo lus NYABLAJ. Yuav tau muab sau ua NYAB-LAJ vim neeg yuav nyeem yuamkev ua NYA-BLAJ.



Lus Siv Cov Double & Triple Vowels (Yub).



AO = Techaws Laos

IU = “Iub, cas qiasneeg ua luaj!”

UE = “Ueb, cem luag ua dabtsi!”

UAI = “Uaib, cem luag ua dabtsi?”



Lwmyam:



Cov lus hais zoo li cov lus no yuav tau muab sau lo uake thiab. Xws li LIAB PLAIM, LIAB PLOOG, DAJ RHUV, TI GAUS (TI NKAUS) yuav tau sau uake, xwsli LIABPLAIM, LIABPLOOG, DAJRHUV, TIGAUS, JAIAB, etc. Tabsis los lus TIGAUS, JA IAB thiab lwm lo uas muaj tus yamnxwv sib xws no yuav tau siv tus (-) los kem thiaj tsis neem yuamkev. TIGAUS=TI-GAUS, JAIAB=JA-IAB, vimtias lo TIGAUS yuav nyeem yuamkev ua TIG AUS, lo JAIAB yuav nyeem yuamkev ua JAI-AB.



Yuav tau set ib tug standard loss siv rau tus H thiab tus L. Kuv suggestions:

1) Siv tus H uantej tus L rauqhov tus nyob rau cov tsiaj ntawv, tus H tas mam txog tus L. Pivxam li cov lus HLAIS, HLA, etc.

2) Cov niam ntawv (las ntawv txooj) muaj tus H thiab tus H xyaw, tsis pub muab teeb ua ib tug las ntawv lawm. Xwsli cov las ntawv txooj PL, PH, etc. Thaumtwg hais lo lus mam sau xwb. Pivxam li cov lus pLas, pHais, pLab, etc., except to OH.

3) Tus las ntawv BHL tsis pub muaj. Thaumtwg hais lo lus twg tawm lub suab man ntxiv tus HL. Pivxam: BHLAIB, PHLAUB, etc. Note: sau tus H uantej tus L vim hauv cov las ntawv hais tus H tas mam txog tus L.



Txhua lo lus hais tawm tus H, L thiab HL yuavtsum sau tuaj tomqab tus las ntawv. Pivxam: hlais, phais, plab, nyhav, bhlaib, etc. Tsuas zam tus Hm=Hmoob xwb thiaj sau tus H uantej tus M. Nej xav licas?



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Re: H'monglish/H'moobglish

Post by Tubzoonraug on August 28th 2010, 11:23 am


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Re: H'monglish/H'moobglish

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