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    Post by Hmonglis September 18th 2008, 2:00 pm

    We all Hmong but still having difficult to express ourselves at time. I will write in English since it's a universal language so that we all can understand.

    My intent is to promote Hmonglish to be the standard language for all Hmong, therefore brainstorms are needed.

    We should think beyond the scope of our current existing languages starting by asking yourself, how do we send a message so that both the blind (White Hmong) and the deaf (Green Hmong) without a translator. Off course it has to be a language that we and the blind and the deaf understood. That language should be Hmonglish, hehe
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    We all should know that creating a new script is easy but teaching and getting everyone to use it is going to be much harder.

    So now we have Hmongwhite, Hmonggreen and Hmonglish. The goal is we need some sort of rules and principles to make the new Hmonglish as translator language for the other two.




    Principle 1. Hmongwhite à Hmongwhite_Simplify, Hmonggreen à Hmonggreen_Simplify



    Principle 2. Hmongwhite_Simplify + Hmonggreen_Simplify à Hmong_Simplify



    Principle 3. Hmong_Simplify à Hmonglish



    A=Hmongwhite, B=Hmonggreen, C=Hmongsimplify, D=Hmonglish



    Example of Principle 1. A à AC, B à BC



    pojniam à quasniam, quaspuj à quasnam

    yawmtxiv à quastxiv, quasyawg à quastxiv

    mus à moos

    los à laos, lug à lueg

    hais à ha’s, has à ha’s

    tag à ta-g, taag à ta-g



    Example of Principle 2. AC + BC = C



    quasniam + quasnam = quasn’am

    yawmtxiv + quasyawg à quastxiv

    moos + moog = mooq
    nej + mej = mnej


    laos + lueg à loeq



    Example of Principle 3. C à D

    Moog à mooq

    Loeg à loeq

    quasn’am à quan’am



    We just need to develop some sort of conversion process from regular --> simplify --> standard by finding rules and principles to support it. For example:

    Cim Rule of Change. Cim S was replace Cim nothing (Cim Ua) & Cim Ua was replace with H.

    Apostrophe Rule of Change. An apostrophe is to replace the vowel “I” such as a’ = ai & ‘a=ia.

    Rule Cim Q. A word with tus cim Q mean a word agreement between both Hmong therefore Hmongwhite should disregard it.

    I know this will be a total shark and sound crazy to some of you. But, your thought is always welcome. Thanks.
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    Post by TooKooL December 9th 2008, 10:29 pm

    Thank you thank you for asking for our smart ideas and input. Im still very young and very wise mind too. I hope I can lift this forum and our Hmong people to a better future. With the help of my Hmong people. We support each other. Yes we can.
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    Post by Vajhuamsibluag May 22nd 2009, 11:12 am

    Hmonglis wrote:We all Hmong but still having difficult to express ourselves at time. I will write in English since it's a universal language so that we all can understand.

    My intent is to promote Hmonglish to be the standard language for all Hmong, therefore brainstorms are needed.

    We should think beyond the scope of our current existing languages starting by asking yourself, how do we send a message so that both the blind (White Hmong) and the deaf (Green Hmong) without a translator. Off course it has to be a language that we and the blind and the deaf understood. That language should be Hmonglish, hehe
    J

    We all should know that creating a new script is easy but teaching and getting everyone to use it is going to be much harder.

    So now we have Hmongwhite, Hmonggreen and Hmonglish. The goal is we need some sort of rules and principles to make the new Hmonglish as translator language for the other two.




    Principle 1. Hmongwhite à Hmongwhite_Simplify, Hmonggreen à Hmonggreen_Simplify



    Principle 2. Hmongwhite_Simplify + Hmonggreen_Simplify à Hmong_Simplify



    Principle 3. Hmong_Simplify à Hmonglish



    A=Hmongwhite, B=Hmonggreen, C=Hmongsimplify, D=Hmonglish



    Example of Principle 1. A à AC, B à BC



    pojniam à quasniam, quaspuj à quasnam

    yawmtxiv à quastxiv, quasyawg à quastxiv

    mus à moos

    los à laos, lug à lueg

    hais à ha’s, has à ha’s

    tag à ta-g, taag à ta-g



    Example of Principle 2. AC + BC = C



    quasniam + quasnam = quasn’am

    yawmtxiv + quasyawg à quastxiv

    moos + moog = mooq
    nej + mej = mnej


    laos + lueg à loeq



    Example of Principle 3. C à D

    Moog à mooq

    Loeg à loeq

    quasn’am à quan’am



    We just need to develop some sort of conversion process from regular --> simplify --> standard by finding rules and principles to support it. For example:

    Cim Rule of Change. Cim S was replace Cim nothing (Cim Ua) & Cim Ua was replace with H.

    Apostrophe Rule of Change. An apostrophe is to replace the vowel “I” such as a’ = ai & ‘a=ia.

    Rule Cim Q. A word with tus cim Q mean a word agreement between both Hmong therefore Hmongwhite should disregard it.

    I know this will be a total shark and sound crazy to some of you. But, your thought is always welcome. Thanks.
    Changing our language to a different pronunciation is beyond reality.
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    Post by Guest June 20th 2009, 7:16 am

    Peb tsi smart hai txog Hmonglish ces peb cia li tsi reply li lawm xwb, vim peb tseem lack off Hmonglish including English that why we have no comment on this page. I knew one member he was a Teacher or Master Degree, He tried to get our attention.
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    Post by Guest June 20th 2009, 5:39 pm

    Txawj wrote:We are already changing ourselves to be Hmong-Americans anyway.

    Yog lawm thiab ma Txawj, tab si peb lam hai li ntawd xwb luag cov tawv daws tseem tsi tau recognize peb hmoob li thiab os. Tsi paub tav twg tiam twg luag thiaj li recognize peb o.
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    Post by Guest June 20th 2009, 8:18 pm

    Txawj wrote:Tubzoonraug,

    Yog tias yus cov neeg mus nhriav laj kam los tau hos tus ho muaj qhov peev xwm yuav mus nrog luag sib tw ua nom ua tswv los tau, thiab tus yuav ua business dab tsi los tau ces yeej kawg li ntawm lawm xwb os. Peb yuav tsis tag tos kom leej twg recognize peb es mam yog goog citizen tam kuv xav.
    Txawj,

    Yog lawm thiab, qhov point yeej siv tau lawm tiam si, qhov kuv piav ma xav kom peb muaj peb ib thaj chaws yog peb tug ma yuav zoo dua ntai. Ib yam li koj los koj yeej muaj koj lub peev xwm yuav ua tau ib yam zoo rau lub tebchaws ho kuv los yeej muaj ib yam zoo rau lub tebchaws. Yog peb nyob nrog luag xwb ces nws yuav zoo tsi baum li u muaj u ntiag tug.
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    Post by vuespro June 21st 2009, 10:10 pm

    ua ntaus ntsiv mob thaub hauv xwb os
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    Post by Guest June 25th 2009, 7:47 pm

    vuespro wrote:ua ntaus ntsiv mob thaub hauv xwb os
    Xyov tus bawg BA ntawd nws ho nyiam li ntawd. Kuv tus kheej ma kuv ho tsi nyiam mub tus latin ua yog Txiv plig Nyiaj Pov cov no los ua rau u tug. Kuv tsi xav li ntawd vim tawb sau tsi tau lus thiab muaj tsi txhij kiag dua li ces peb sau tsi muaj lus rau ces peb mam li txua dua ib cov ntawv ntxiv rau xwb.
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    Post by Tub Soj Ntsuam September 10th 2009, 1:08 pm

    Hmonglis wrote:We all Hmong but still having difficult to express ourselves at time. I will write in English since it's a universal language so that we all can understand.

    My intent is to promote Hmonglish to be the standard language for all Hmong, therefore brainstorms are needed.

    We should think beyond the scope of our current existing languages starting by asking yourself, how do we send a message so that both the blind (White Hmong) and the deaf (Green Hmong) without a translator. Off course it has to be a language that we and the blind and the deaf understood. That language should be Hmonglish, hehe
    J

    We all should know that creating a new script is easy but teaching and getting everyone to use it is going to be much harder.

    So now we have Hmongwhite, Hmonggreen and Hmonglish. The goal is we need some sort of rules and principles to make the new Hmonglish as translator language for the other two.




    Principle 1. Hmongwhite à Hmongwhite_Simplify, Hmonggreen à Hmonggreen_Simplify



    Principle 2. Hmongwhite_Simplify + Hmonggreen_Simplify à Hmong_Simplify



    Principle 3. Hmong_Simplify à Hmonglish



    A=Hmongwhite, B=Hmonggreen, C=Hmongsimplify, D=Hmonglish



    Example of Principle 1. A à AC, B à BC



    pojniam à quasniam, quaspuj à quasnam

    yawmtxiv à quastxiv, quasyawg à quastxiv

    mus à moos

    los à laos, lug à lueg

    hais à ha’s, has à ha’s

    tag à ta-g, taag à ta-g



    Example of Principle 2. AC + BC = C



    quasniam + quasnam = quasn’am

    yawmtxiv + quasyawg à quastxiv

    moos + moog = mooq
    nej + mej = mnej


    laos + lueg à loeq



    Example of Principle 3. C à D

    Moog à mooq

    Loeg à loeq

    quasn’am à quan’am



    We just need to develop some sort of conversion process from regular --> simplify --> standard by finding rules and principles to support it. For example:

    Cim Rule of Change. Cim S was replace Cim nothing (Cim Ua) & Cim Ua was replace with H.

    Apostrophe Rule of Change. An apostrophe is to replace the vowel “I” such as a’ = ai & ‘a=ia.

    Rule Cim Q. A word with tus cim Q mean a word agreement between both Hmong therefore Hmongwhite should disregard it.

    I know this will be a total shark and sound crazy to some of you. But, your thought is always welcome. Thanks.

    Nyob zoo hmonglis,

    I like your idea too but there is something else that I see. We have blue hmong and white hmong. It is not easy to combine these two
    languages into one or make a change. "How about blue hmong learn to speak white hmong and white hmong learn to speak blue"
    When we write,try to keep it as simple as possible. Tus ntawv las tees no nws yooj yim thiab zoo siv heev. We're able to keep up
    with the world. Making such a change might work but it'll take times and lots of debate! Anyway, I like to give you some credits
    for trying something new though. Thanks!!
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    Post by Qaabmib October 30th 2009, 11:51 pm

    Hmonglish ah...I got a headache already.

    Hmonglis wrote:We all Hmong but still having difficult to express ourselves at time. I will write in English since it's a universal language so that we all can understand.

    My intent is to promote Hmonglish to be the standard language for all Hmong, therefore brainstorms are needed.

    We should think beyond the scope of our current existing languages starting by asking yourself, how do we send a message so that both the blind (White Hmong) and the deaf (Green Hmong) without a translator. Off course it has to be a language that we and the blind and the deaf understood. That language should be Hmonglish, hehe
    J

    We all should know that creating a new script is easy but teaching and getting everyone to use it is going to be much harder.

    So now we have Hmongwhite, Hmonggreen and Hmonglish. The goal is we need some sort of rules and principles to make the new Hmonglish as translator language for the other two.




    Principle 1. Hmongwhite à Hmongwhite_Simplify, Hmonggreen à Hmonggreen_Simplify



    Principle 2. Hmongwhite_Simplify + Hmonggreen_Simplify à Hmong_Simplify



    Principle 3. Hmong_Simplify à Hmonglish



    A=Hmongwhite, B=Hmonggreen, C=Hmongsimplify, D=Hmonglish



    Example of Principle 1. A à AC, B à BC



    pojniam à quasniam, quaspuj à quasnam

    yawmtxiv à quastxiv, quasyawg à quastxiv

    mus à moos

    los à laos, lug à lueg

    hais à ha’s, has à ha’s

    tag à ta-g, taag à ta-g



    Example of Principle 2. AC + BC = C



    quasniam + quasnam = quasn’am

    yawmtxiv + quasyawg à quastxiv

    moos + moog = mooq
    nej + mej = mnej


    laos + lueg à loeq



    Example of Principle 3. C à D

    Moog à mooq

    Loeg à loeq

    quasn’am à quan’am



    We just need to develop some sort of conversion process from regular --> simplify --> standard by finding rules and principles to support it. For example:

    Cim Rule of Change. Cim S was replace Cim nothing (Cim Ua) & Cim Ua was replace with H.

    Apostrophe Rule of Change. An apostrophe is to replace the vowel “I” such as a’ = ai & ‘a=ia.

    Rule Cim Q. A word with tus cim Q mean a word agreement between both Hmong therefore Hmongwhite should disregard it.

    I know this will be a total shark and sound crazy to some of you. But, your thought is always welcome. Thanks.
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    Post by Guest November 9th 2009, 1:44 pm

    Nyob zoo Qabmib thiab cov phooj ywg, ntev heev o. Hi txog Hmonglish ma yeej tsi yooj yim kiag vim hmoob tsi muaj ib tug twg los qhia. Thiab nws tsi muaj txheej ntxeem kawm los sau tsi tau meej cov lus sau los tsi tau hmoob cov lus tag.




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