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    Post by Vajhuamsibluag on December 5th 2009, 10:35 am

    Tham saib peb Hmoob kev sib txheeb puas los sib cuamtshuam. Nej puas muaj kev sib txheeb nrog pab no thiab?
    Kuv yawg Zampov thiab Nyiajtxhim nkawv yog ob kwvtij yug Suavteb koom niam koom txiv. Nkawv los loj hlob nyob Blog teb. Yawg Zampov yuav Pajtxhim Lis tus muam ua niam yau. Pajtxhim Lis yog Foom Lis Txiv. Foom Lis yog Phasnyas Tub Bis txiv. Xam los txog, kuv txiv Txawjxwm thiab Phasnyas lawv yog kwvtij kwvbawg (yawmyij thiab dab laug cov tub).

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    Re: Hmoob Kev Sib Txheebze

    Post by Guest on December 5th 2009, 11:27 am

    Tub zoo nraug wrote:
    Zam Yeeb Yaj, lub be hlua hus ua Yeeb. Nws txiv hus ua Suav Looj, Niam peb tsi paub yog hus li ca thiab xeem dab tsi. Suav looj yug tau lawv 4 kwv tij,

    Yawg Suav Looj Yaj ua Yog Yaj Kiab Toom tus tub hlob mam hos yug tau: 4 leej tub,tsi paub cov ntxhai muaj tsawg leej...?


    Yawg Suav Looj Yaj Cov tub muaj li nram no:

    1. hlob Xaiv Vws Yaj: yog Nhiaj Thong Txiv. yog Sher thiab Txiaj lawv yawg.
    2. hlob Txoov Tub Yaj: yog Nhia Thong Yaj Yawg. Yog Vam Choj txiv.
    3. hlob Txhiaj Maim Yaj: yog tij laug Txiaj Vaj txiv, los yog Nom Tuam Yaj Yawg.
    4. Zam Yeeb Yaj: Yog Nhia Pao, Naib Yias, Txooj Muas thiab Neej Thoj Yaj txiv.


    Tsi tag lis Xaiv Vws Yaj tuag, Niam hlob Xaiv vws mus yuav Nchaiv Vaj Lauj, coj ib plab menyuam mus yug rau hauv tsev hmoob lauj,yog Xaiv Tsus Lauj,Nai koos Nom Tub Lauj ua poob dav hlau tuag yog tus tub hlob, Lab Lau, Zeb Lauj yog tij laug Saiv Tsus Lauj cov tub, yog cov kuv hai los lawm saum nos txiv. Yog li no Saiv Tsus nrog kuv ib phaj. Zoo li no peb thiaj lis sib yuav tsi tau vim yog kwv tij..Cov ua kem ntawm cov neeg kuv hai los saum no ma tsi muaj kev cuam tshuam nrog rau peb kiag li. Peb los yeej mus yuav tau cov ua tsi yog peb tsev neeg thiab.

    Yawg Suav Looj Txiv Tuag, Yawg Suav Looj niam mus yuav Lauj Kiab Toom Txiv, mus yug tau Lauj Kiab toom, Lauj Kiab Toom thiab Yawg suav Looj tsev neeg thiaj li sib yuav tsi taus. vim peb pog koob mus ua niam rau Tom cov Xeem Lauj, mus yug tau Lauj Kiab Toom tsev neeg.


    936: Raise and fall of Chongtou Lo (Txoov Tub Lauj), son of Lo Bliayao (Lauj Npliaj Yob), to take over his father's duties as Kaitong (Kiab toom) ("Canton": political district). However, due to his ineffectiveness, he was replaced by his brother-in-law, Ly Foung (Lis Foom). Ly Foung's ascension to the position of Kaitong would eventually lead to clan conflict, the Lo Clan against the Ly Clan

    Thaum Suav Looj Thiab Pog Suav Looj tuag tag lawm, Zam Yeeb 3 tug tij laug tsi hlub Zam yeeb, lub caij niam thiab txiv tuag tag lawm Zam yeeb tseem yaus heev tsi paub ua dab tsi li. Yog li Zam yeeb thiaj li tau mus nrog tus txiv ntxawm (Uncle)Lauj Kiab Toom nyob tau ntau xyoo, Zam Yeeb loj tuaj thiaj li mus nrog tus txiv ntxawm Kiab Toom ua ib tug tub kwv dej rau lawv haus. Tsi tag li, thaum Zam Yeeb muaj 18 xyoo, Lauj Kiab Toom thiaj li yuav poj niam rau Zam yeeb. Cov dab neeg no muaj ntau heev tiam si, piav me me li no kom cov tub xeeb ntxwv paub qhov keeb kwm no xwb.. yog muaj caij mam li piav kom ntxaws duas nov. Vim kuv los tsi paub qhov keeb kawm no meej.

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    History about Ly Clan and Lor Clan conflicted



    936: Raise and fall of Chongtou Lo (Txoov Tub Lauj), son of Lo Bliayao (Lauj Npliaj Yob), to take over his father's duties as Kaitong (Kiab toom) ("Canton": political district). However, due to his ineffectiveness, he was replaced by his brother-in-law, Ly Foung (Lis Foom). Ly Foung's ascension to the position of Kaitong would eventually lead to clan conflict, the Lo Clan against the Ly Clan
    1938: Appointment by French Administration of Touby Lyfoung (Tub Npis Lis Foom), son of the Ly Foung as the Kaitong.
    1943: Arrival of Japanese troupes in Laos. Hmong two most powerful clans, the clan Ly/Lyfoung (lead by Touby Lyfoung, son of Ly Foung and nephew of Lo Blia Yao) and the Lo/Lobliayao (Lead by the Faydang Lobliayao (Faiv Ntaj Lauj Npliaj Yob), Lo Bliayao's son and Touby Lyfoung's uncle) fought for Lo Bliayao's political position of "Kaitong" in the District of Non Het in the Province of Xieng Khouang, Laos. The Ly/Lyfoung was supporters of the French colonialists and the Lo/Lobliayao, of the Japanese invaders: the end of the World War II divided the Hmong community into two fractions. The Ly/Lyfoung remained in Laos and supported the Lao royal regime. As for the Lo/Lobliayao, they fled to Vietnam where they joined the Pathet Lao, ally of the Vietnamese communist movement.

    after qian jia rebellion in 1795 thousand of hmong fled to dong van in vietnam. in 1805-06 paj txhim, blia yob's father organized a team led by khwb vwj to laos to look for a new place to settle. they landed and settled in nong het, laos. pas txim was in fact an unofficial and only a clan kia toom back in vietnam and still retained his title when arrived in laos. later in laos paj txim was murdered. because his oldest son, npliaj yob was still only boy, his title was passed to his
    uncle, txhiaj xwm lauj. of course, before 1896 when the first official kia toom, tooj ntxawg muas appionted was by the french, there were many countless kia toom vang, yang, lee, lor etc.., but these are just clan kiab toom. tooj ntxawg, npliaj yob and thereafter were the ones who appointed by the french to governed the hmong and collected tax from the hmong for the french. at that time the title was considered broarder, but later was replaced by toj xeem system.

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    Re: Hmoob Kev Sib Txheebze

    Post by Guest on December 5th 2009, 11:42 am

    Vajhuamsibluag wrote:Tham saib peb Hmoob kev sib txheeb puas los sib cuamtshuam. Nej puas muaj kev sib txheeb nrog pab no thiab?
    Kuv yawg Zampov thiab Nyiajtxhim nkawv yog ob kwvtij yug Suavteb koom niam koom txiv. Nkawv los loj hlob nyob Blog teb. Yawg Zampov yuav Pajtxhim Lis tus muam ua niam yau. Pajtxhim Lis yog Foom Lis Txiv. Foom Lis yog Phasnyas Tub Bis txiv. Xam los txog, kuv txiv Txawjxwm thiab Phasnyas lawv yog kwvtij kwvbawg (yawmyij thiab dab laug cov tub).
    Ua li Yawg Vam Tub ho yog leej twg yug? Yawg Txawj Xwm txiv twb yog Yawg Vam tub ne? hai kom mej me ntsi saib?

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    Re: Hmoob Kev Sib Txheebze

    Post by Vajhuamsibluag on December 6th 2009, 6:30 am

    Yawg Vamtub yog yawg Nyiajtxhim yug. Vamtub yog phaum Foom Lis cov kwvtij kwvbawg ze zog Phasnyas thiab kuv txiv lawv.

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    Re: Hmoob Kev Sib Txheebze

    Post by Guest on December 6th 2009, 7:49 am

    Vajhuamsibluag wrote:Yawg Vamtub yog yawg Nyiajtxhim yug. Vamtub yog phaum Foom Lis cov kwvtij kwvbawg ze zog Phasnyas thiab kuv txiv lawv.
    yog li ces thiaj li paub zoo. Ntawm kuv ces tsi paub zoo txog kuv yawg cov kwv tij li lawm tsuas paub kuv txiv cov tij laug xwb. Txog ntawm Pha Nyas tsev neeg, kuv tus muam yuav vaj lis yog xwv blooj tij laug kuv yawm yij tsi yog Pha Nya yug tsua yog muab kub koob hus phi rau xwb vim Pha Nya muaj Koob ces muab hus phim hai tias vaj Pha Nya. Lawv tsev hmoob no tsi lees paub neej tsas lawv tsuas coj peb tus neeg mus ua neej rau hauv lawv tsev hmoob ntawd xwb luag tsi lees paub tus poj niam ntawd niam txiv dab laug yog leeg twg. Lawv tsi interested txog. Cov lus sau no yog lawv search hauv google lawv yuav pom, yog koj xav kom pom koj sau li koj lub topic rau hauv google koj yuav pom thiab.

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    Re: Hmoob Kev Sib Txheebze

    Post by Vajhuamsibluag on December 6th 2009, 9:11 am

    TubHmoob wrote:
    Vajhuamsibluag wrote:Yawg Vamtub yog yawg Nyiajtxhim yug. Vamtub yog phaum Foom Lis cov kwvtij kwvbawg ze zog Phasnyas thiab kuv txiv lawv.
    yog li ces thiaj li paub zoo. Ntawm kuv ces tsi paub zoo txog kuv yawg cov kwv tij li lawm tsuas paub kuv txiv cov tij laug xwb. Txog ntawm Pha Nyas tsev neeg, kuv tus muam yuav vaj lis yog xwv blooj tij laug kuv yawm yij tsi yog Pha Nya yug tsua yog muab kub koob hus phi rau xwb vim Pha Nya muaj Koob ces muab hus phim hai tias vaj Pha Nya. Lawv tsev hmoob no tsi lees paub neej tsas lawv tsuas coj peb tus neeg mus ua neej rau hauv lawv tsev hmoob ntawd xwb luag tsi lees paub tus poj niam ntawd niam txiv dab laug yog leeg twg. Lawv tsi interested txog. Cov lus sau no yog lawv search hauv google lawv yuav pom, yog koj xav kom pom koj sau li koj lub topic rau hauv google koj yuav pom thiab.
    Koj hais tus Vaj Lis uas pheej nrog Phasnyas cov tub ua ke? Kuv xav tias tus Vaj Lis ntawd yog Phasnyas tub no. Los yog nws muaj nws ib tug Vaj Lis thiab? Tus Vaj Lis kuv hais mas nrog peb nyob Nongkhai thiab peb ua haulwm rau cov refugees. Qhov mus post hauv Google yog post licas?

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    Re: Hmoob Kev Sib Txheebze

    Post by Vajhuamsibluag on December 6th 2009, 9:14 am

    Vajhuamsibluag wrote:Yawg Vamtub yog yawg Nyiajtxhim yug. Vamtub yog phaum Foom Lis cov kwvtij kwvbawg ze zog Phasnyas thiab kuv txiv lawv.
    Correction: Yawg Vamtub yog pog Nyiajtxhim yug. Tsis yog yawg Nyiajtxim yug.

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    Re: Hmoob Kev Sib Txheebze

    Post by Guest on December 6th 2009, 9:30 am

    Vajhuamsibluag wrote:
    Koj hais tus Vaj Lis uas pheej nrog Phasnyas cov tub ua ke? Kuv xav tias tus Vaj Lis ntawd yog Phasnyas tub no. Los yog nws muaj nws ib tug Vaj Lis thiab? Tus Vaj Lis kuv hais mas nrog peb nyob Nongkhai thiab peb ua haulwm rau cov refugees. Qhov mus post hauv Google yog post licas?
    Tus Vaj wb tham no ces yog tus koj paub thiab xwb, nws tsi yog Pha Nya tub yug yog tus tij laug tub xwb qhov no ma tej zaum niam tij txis kwv los tsi paub. Kuv los tsua hnov hai tias Vaj Pha Nya xwb.. Tus Vaj no yuav kuv tus muam yog kuv txiv tus ntxhai, yog niam nrab yug, kuv yog niam yaus yug.

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    Re: Hmoob Kev Sib Txheebze

    Post by Vajhuamsibluag on December 6th 2009, 3:35 pm

    TubHmoob wrote:
    Vajhuamsibluag wrote:
    Koj hais tus Vaj Lis uas pheej nrog Phasnyas cov tub ua ke? Kuv xav tias tus Vaj Lis ntawd yog Phasnyas tub no. Los yog nws muaj nws ib tug Vaj Lis thiab? Tus Vaj Lis kuv hais mas nrog peb nyob Nongkhai thiab peb ua haulwm rau cov refugees. Qhov mus post hauv Google yog post licas?
    Tus Vaj wb tham no ces yog tus koj paub thiab xwb, nws tsi yog Pha Nya tub yug yog tus tij laug tub xwb qhov no ma tej zaum niam tij txis kwv los tsi paub. Kuv los tsua hnov hai tias Vaj Pha Nya xwb.. Tus Vaj no yuav kuv tus muam yog kuv txiv tus ntxhai, yog niam nrab yug, kuv yog niam yaus yug.
    Koj tus muam ntawd puas taug/nug txog nej cov dab laug li? Kuv muaj Phasnyas ib tug tub email nyob hauv kuv daim email list thiab. Kuv mam nug saib nws yuav teb licas. Koj puas xav tau nws email? Cia nramqab txog hnub xaus saib lawv puas nug txog dab laug!

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    Re: Hmoob Kev Sib Txheebze

    Post by Guest on December 11th 2009, 7:47 pm

    Vajhuamsibluag,

    Kuv tus muam tseem nyob tim fab kis, Thaum kuv niam tso kuv tseg, kuv twb ua ntawv mus tos tau nws tuaj saib kuv niam lawm ma. Nws tuaj nrog kuv nyob tau li 1 week nws li rov mus tsev lawm. Hai txog tus yawm yij ua koj paub nws ntawd no, kuv tsi need nws email, vim lawv twb tsi xam muaj tej neej tsas. Dr. Ly Sang lo puav leej yog m, nyob Fresno, kuv yeej paub nws ma tab si nws tsi paub kuv os. Txawm li ca los kuv twb tsi xav paub lawv thiab. Kuv tus yawm yij hus (Vaj) kuv tsi paub nws pua tau muaj be laus thiab. Yij Vaj yog tus hlob Xwv Blooj xub kuv lo paub tsi zoo.

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    Re: Hmoob Kev Sib Txheebze

    Post by Guest on December 12th 2009, 5:11 pm

    Txawj wrote:Vajhuamsibluag thiab Tubhmoob,

    Muab xam los txog ces neb yeej nyob ze rau peb Hmoob cov xiab cob lawm thiab mas tam kuv xav nas vim neb caj ces yeej paub txog peb Hmoob cov nom tswv feem ntau xwb tam kuv xav.
    Hi, Txawj

    Yog lawm thiab ma, lawv cov nom tswv no ces puav lee muaj connection nrog rau kuv tsev neeg kawg, cov lauj thiab cov Ly no puav leej muaj kuv tsev neeg nyob rau hauv. Tab si lawv tsi lees paub hai tias peb pua muaj connection nrog rau lawv. Vim lawv cov nom tswv raw li cov laus hai, Ly clan, yeej tsi nyiam hmoob kiag lawv nyiam blog xwb lawv hai tias hmoob ruam hmoob tsws ntxhiab. Muaj ib tus yawg hmoob laus hai rau kuv hai tias, yav thaum ub ua yog fabkis tseem nyob rau lub tebchaws Laos, nws yog tus mus ntsib nom, nws ev ib kawm ntsab or rice los yog txhuav nrog 2 tug laus qaib sam thiab ib taig yeeb, thaum mus txog rau ntawm qab tsib taug or front yard, tus hmoob ntaws yuav tau walk by his knees mus kom txog kiag rau ntawm qhov rooj ces cov poj niam mam li hnug hai tias tuaj dab tsi? nws mam li teb hai tias, yuav tuaj ntsib nom, yog li lawv mam li mus hai tus tub rog sov lawv tsev tuaj hnug nws ces nws hai tuaj ntsib nom yog li nom tso cais ma nws thiaj li lo tau, yog nom deny nws qhov reguest ces nws yuav tau rov qab with out his belonging nws cov khoom ua nws ris tuaj ces nom muab cias tag. Yog lawv paub nws ces lawv caws nws los tsev. Cov lus no tsi yog kuv lam hai lo yog muab cov nom thaum ub lub qes teb. Yog ib tus neeg laus tham li ntawd vim nws yog ib tug mus ntsib nom yam thaum Fabkis tseem nyob rau lub tebchaws blog.

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    Re: Hmoob Kev Sib Txheebze

    Post by Vajhuamsibluag on December 14th 2009, 11:36 pm

    Txawj wrote:Vajhuamsibluag thiab Tubhmoob,

    Muab xam los txog ces neb yeej nyob ze rau peb Hmoob cov xiab cob lawm thiab mas tam kuv xav nas vim neb caj ces yeej paub txog peb Hmoob cov nom tswv feem ntau xwb tam kuv xav.
    Kuv tsis jhaw txheebze cov xeuab chao zoo lino li'os.

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    Re: Hmoob Kev Sib Txheebze

    Post by Guest on December 15th 2009, 5:20 am

    Kuv los yeej tsi ntsaws txheeb ze rau cov neeg muaj record phem no thiab. Vim pej xeem txuas leej txuas tus foom kom poob rau qhov phem. Nyiam no, nej saib pua muaj tau qhov zoo?

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